Sonic the Hedgehog 4

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Suggestion; might it be a good idea to have a page named Project Needlemouse (which deals with all this promotion / development fan-baiting), and then a spereate page named Sonic the Hedgehog 4 for... well, the stuff we usually put on a main game page?

I mean, most of the stuff that's on here now will inevitably end up on [[Game Development: Sonic the Hedgehog 4]] anyway. Frozen Nitrogen 11:50, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Alternately, we could just restrict work on the Sonic 4 page and make everyone just write on Game Development:Sonic 4. - Scarred Sun 18:51, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I have a quick question regarding the zone naming of "Splash Hill." Do we have a confirmed source that this is indeed the level we saw in the teaser/trailer?--Ddrmaxromance 16:48, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I heard the name somewhere before Sega started revealing things. It was either that or "Level 1" or "GENERIC TROPICAL LEVEL". Either way things will probably be changed when the game is released so consider it a placeholder... I guess -Black Squirrel 17:43, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I heard said rumor too (along with E.G.G. Station), but I think it unwise to perpetuate it without any real proof. Frozen Nitrogen 20:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Just to add something to this, that was the same source that revealed the title was Sonic 4 and was episodic a week before confirmation, amiright? True Dude 21:28, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Advertising and Marketing

With the contests out of the way (as far as we know, unless Sega wants to pull another one), perhaps we should move the marketing contests to a page such as Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Advertisements and Marketing? We should also, eventually, move the concept art to the game development page when the time is right. - Enzo Aquarius 21:23, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Should this be protected?

There's apparently been a Cease & Desist; I'm not sure it's safe to leave this editable. The last thing we need is a cause for any more trouble. Wouldn't it be wise to protect it until release? --Afti 03:36, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Splitting Stuff Around

Considering the huge length of the current Sonic 4 article, I think that we need to look into doing something with it. Couldn't we cut down a lot of the current Sonic the Hedgehog 4 article and seperate it into a Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode I page. Looking above, it seems that a lot of stuff was going to be put into [[Game Development: Sonic the Hedgehog 4]] anyway. Perhaps we could start some of this work now? SOTI 18:15, 8 October 2010 (CDT)

I have vague memories that Tweaker roid-raged about the prospect of splitting S4 up into by-episode pages, so I wouldn't recommend an "Ep1" split. If you want to shift the competitions and leak drama and prerelease shots to Game Development, though, go for it. Frozen Nitrogen (Talk) 19:08, 8 October 2010 (CDT)
Most of the stuff belongs on the game development page so I moved it.--MUser 08:23, 11 October 2010 (CDT)


There desperately needs to be citations of professional criticism or else I'm removing the block for NPOV reasons. This is not a sounding board of opinions. This is a fact-based website. - Scarred Sun 12:20, 15 October 2010 (CDT)

Would professional reviews of Sonic 4 do the trick? I assume not, but a few have definitely sounded on the physics side, which seems to be the main point of criticism now. The model issue could also be brought up, although I don't really care what model Sonic is using. He could be dressed up as a Motobug and I'd still play it. SOTI 12:26, 15 October 2010 (CDT)
The part about it not being a true sequel for having speed boosters was removable I think. That's mostly old school fans talking. --MUser 12:59, 15 October 2010 (CDT)

Episode II

Since discussion for Episode II has started, perhaps we need to look at making the Sonic 4 page somehow "global" to all episodes with short information, along with seperate pages for each episodes. Some people might prefer everything on one page, but they're still separate games in any case. We could also look at modifying the Sonic 4 template to suit this, like some sort of tab which switches between episodes? SOTI 12:34, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Didn't I point out before that Tweaker veto-ed the idea? Frozen Nitrogen (Talk) 17:10, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
We don't even know if they will connect somehow by sharing save files. They may wind up being standalone games where you have to collect the Chaos Emeralds all over again.--MathUser 17:35, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
This game being the way it is does pose a problem on how to make an Omni for it. On one hand, we could do what the Sonic Colours Wii and Sonic Colours DS Omnis did, and connect them via links. We could also simply separate the episodes by name and have bold name tags above their respective sections ala Sonic 3 & Knuckles, which is also two parts to the same game. We need to wait to see how these games act with one another before we move forward. --RGamer2009 21:28, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, it's a bit of a pointless planning endeavour before we've got any information at all. Frozen Nitrogen (Talk) 22:19, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

So it's been months. How much information do we have now? I think there should be separate pages on each episode, with a single Sonic the Hedgehog 4 page linking the two, simply because it's a matter of fact these are separate releases, but if this is still vaporware then there's no point. - Andlabs 20:49, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Adding stuff: the way we have things set up now is NOT future-proof; for instance, what happens if Sega decides to make a compilation called "Episodes I+II"? I'm not saying this page should be moved to "Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode I" but rather than the Episode I-specific content be moved to that page and this page be used to refer to the game as a whole. Or is that not feasible? Because if it isn't, why are Sonic 3 and S&K separate? I'd like to hear the argument from the camp that thinks things should be the way they are now because all I see is Frozen Nitrogen remembering such an argument.
But if we don't have much on Episode II right now, then I can do other things and bring this back up when we do; talking takes no time while doing stuff does. - Andlabs 01:06, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Wasn't there a forum thread regarding where Iizuka confirmed EpII for 2012, or something?
I actually think that whether we need to have separate pages will depend on how much EpII "locks onto" EpI. If it's a completly distinct game in all but name, then yeah, split the pages. If it follows on contiguously from the end of EGG Station and you carry over your Emeralds and lives and score and stuff, I'd be less inclined to do so. Frozen Nitrogen (Talk) 01:12, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
I guess you're right, but what about SOnic & Knuckles? IDK of any forum thread, unless this happened in one of the megathreads, in which case fuck all - Andlabs 01:30, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
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btw I am in favour of the split. Nineko 01:33, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Every episode should have its own page because each episode is being sold separately, but I vote that the Omni template covers all of them (similar to how the Sonic 3 one covers S&K). I don't think there needs to be a plain "Sonic 4" page unless it's a disambiguation one. Or if sometime in the future Sega decide to package all the episodes together. -Black Squirrel 11:33, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
I'd prefer a main Sonic 4 page with smaller pages for each episode (if more than 1 is ever released). - Hivebrain 16:06, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Now that Episode II is being publicised and such, perhaps it would be worth reconsidering the splitting up of the page? As Hivebrain said, a main Sonic 4 page would be fine, with most details being left to the Episode pages. SOTI 19:36, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good! I'll start looking into what should be separated on the page and the Omni template. --RGamer2009 22:37, 20 January 2012 (UTC)