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==Overhaul to-do==
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==To do==
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*'''Outline:''' Build an outline before you do anything. This topic has lots of sub-topics which cover other sub-topics etc, and this all needs to be written from the top-down.
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*Find the original issues for ''[[Sonic X-treme/Magazine articles]]''.
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*'''Sources:''' Mirror everything that isn't already mirrored. Those links at the bottom of the page apparently contain interviews, ensure they're mirrored too. Because this article lacks references, you're gonna have to build a list of sources from scratch. I guarantee we're gonna double the content of these pages on this step alone. Ensure every developer in Production credits has a reference. Run a search for interviews for every developer on the project.
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*Rename ''[[Sonic X-treme (Point Of View)]]'' to decapitalize "Of".
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*'''Periods:''' Per Black Squirrel below, it's probably best to split X-treme's coverage into eras - Sonic-16, Sonic Mars (merging its "isometric concept"), main Sat branch, Point Of View branch, and Project Condor branch. A lot of this info is already where it belongs, but a lot isn't.
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*Remove ''[[Sonic-16]]'' from Omni. It's unrelated, and its "influence" is already covered in Development.
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*'''Disambig:''' Consider not a straight disambig page but a general-coverage "Sonic X-treme" page, which covers the project as a whole and links to the individual development periods. This might not be necessary (see first bullet point) but would address the issue of our main X-treme page also serving as the main branch era page (when a main X-treme page should ideologically be defined as the whole project, not just its most recognizable form)
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*Remove ''[[Untitled STI Sonic game]]'', merge with ''[[Sonic Mars]]''.
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*'''Intro:''' Each page's intro needs to state that this is part of the larger X-treme project in the same style of writing, and provide a clear link to earlier/later iterations (maybe at bottom of introduction in dedicated line). Perhaps this can be done in the infobox, like we do with pages like [[AM2]].
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*Add everything from: dumped/preserved material, [https://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?threads/presenting.7325/page-3#post-128797 here1], [https://web.archive.org/web/20130323104259/http://www.senntient.com/cgi-local/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Xtreme&number=13&DaysPrune=1000 here2], [http://scp.webulate.com here3], [https://web.archive.org/web/20150207225804/http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=925240 here4], [https://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?threads/assembler-games-member-has-sonic-xtreme-pov-stuff.33545/ here5], [https://web.archive.org/web/20150421234730/http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?54194-Sonic-X-treme-Point-of-View-Info-help-required here6]
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*'''Development:''' History (as in press history, prerelease stuff) and Development (what the developers were doing, technical stuff) need to be more clearly distinguished. Any info not on the Development subpage already needs to be moved there, and vice versa. Determine if the split is even necessary (probably, but check). There will be some overlap here. Earlier iterations might not have enough content to warrant a dedicated subpage.
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*Might want to think about consolidating some pages. The History section of ''[[Sonic Mars]]'' could easily be worked into ''[[Sonic X-treme/Development]]'' (leaving the same MainArticle redirects as other development eras), but that would mean reorganizing how we approach this pages. And I don't have Move permission.
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*'''Legacy:''' This page's "Future" needs merging with Legacy, and the ROM rediscovery section needs to be moved out of the main history and into Legacy as well.
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*No we should DEFINITELY consolidate some stuff. I went to reread Development, and unless you're navigating using the omni, you're having to hop all over the place and infer a lot to get back to the beginning (Mars/Development). If this were Sega Retro, we'd combine Mars and X-treme, and just have them addressed as different parts of the same development process - but importantly, on 1 page. Right now, it's split between 2 pages, which means double the amount of subpages, and double the amount of potential confusion for wiki readers. The real question is: Are Mars and X-treme different enough concepts to justify them being split? This doesn't need to happen right away.
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*'''Misc:''' Redirects, working names, any necessary categories or image tags, etc.
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*The actual "Development" section on this page that links to the subpage needs basically the equivalent of a big neon arrow saying "click this to start reading the history" in the form of a compelling inline and 
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[[User:CartridgeCulture|CartridgeCulture]] ([[User talk:CartridgeCulture|talk]]) 20:40, 23 September 2023 (EDT)
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*Combine those split pdfs already, we need page refs.
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[[User:CartridgeCulture|CartridgeCulture]] ([[User talk:CartridgeCulture|talk]]) 02:42, 20 December 2023 (EST)
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==Source list==
 
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A master list of all original ''[[Sonic X-treme]]'' sources.
 
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*[[Interview: Chris Senn (2013-09-12) by Sega Addicts]]
 
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*[[Interview: Chris Senn (2007-04-03) by Sega-16]]
 
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*[[Don Goddard interview by hxc - Part One (May 2008)]] (where's Part Two?)
 
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*[[Interview: Don Goddard (2011-11) by Torentsu]] (only references his involvement)
 
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*[[Interview: Mike Wallis by Pachuka]] (note: confuses Coffin for Senn in regards to illness, perhaps other parts)
 
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*[[Interview: Mike Wallis (2007-06-19) by Sega-16]]
 
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*[[Interview: Roger Hector (2005-02-15) by Sega-16]] (only "cancelled due to political chaos")
 
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*[[Roger Hector interview by hxc (August 2005)]]
 
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*[[Roger Hector interview by hxc (October 2005)]] (Chris Senn working on "Sonic team" character design)
 
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*[[Interview: Stieg Hedlund (2006-12-15) by Sega-16]]
 
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*[[Interview: Howard Drossin (2009-09-22) by Gamasutra]] ("I did music for a cancelled 3D Sonic game")
 
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*[[Howard Drossin interview by SageXPO (August 2008)]] (Senn did concept music, Drossin did "final" music)
 
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*[[:File:MTV'SRocktheRockSonic&Knuckles1994 US Video.mp4]] (Tiara Boobowski concept art being drawn by Chris Senn at STI, glean other info)
 
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{{creditsheader|''Sonic Saturn'' related}}
 
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*[[Interview: Peter Morawiec (2000-12-27) by ICEknight]]
 
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*[[Interview: Peter Morawiec (2006-01-11) by hxc]]
 
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*[[Interview: Peter Morawiec (2007-04-20) by Sega-16]]
 
  
 
==New mirror==
 
==New mirror==
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It might make things easier to work with -[[User:Black Squirrel|Black Squirrel]] ([[User talk:Black Squirrel|talk]]) 13:51, 18 September 2021 (EDT)
 
It might make things easier to work with -[[User:Black Squirrel|Black Squirrel]] ([[User talk:Black Squirrel|talk]]) 13:51, 18 September 2021 (EDT)
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==References==
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Latest revision as of 22:52, 23 February 2024

To do

  • Find the original issues for Sonic X-treme/Magazine articles.
  • Rename Sonic X-treme (Point Of View) to decapitalize "Of".
  • Remove Sonic-16 from Omni. It's unrelated, and its "influence" is already covered in Development.
  • Remove Untitled STI Sonic game, merge with Sonic Mars.
  • Add everything from: dumped/preserved material, here1, here2, here3, here4, here5, here6
  • Might want to think about consolidating some pages. The History section of Sonic Mars could easily be worked into Sonic X-treme/Development (leaving the same MainArticle redirects as other development eras), but that would mean reorganizing how we approach this pages. And I don't have Move permission.
  • No we should DEFINITELY consolidate some stuff. I went to reread Development, and unless you're navigating using the omni, you're having to hop all over the place and infer a lot to get back to the beginning (Mars/Development). If this were Sega Retro, we'd combine Mars and X-treme, and just have them addressed as different parts of the same development process - but importantly, on 1 page. Right now, it's split between 2 pages, which means double the amount of subpages, and double the amount of potential confusion for wiki readers. The real question is: Are Mars and X-treme different enough concepts to justify them being split? This doesn't need to happen right away.
  • The actual "Development" section on this page that links to the subpage needs basically the equivalent of a big neon arrow saying "click this to start reading the history" in the form of a compelling inline and
  • Combine those split pdfs already, we need page refs.

CartridgeCulture (talk) 02:42, 20 December 2023 (EST)

New mirror

Also, if you've been living under a rock or something, I have (yet another!) mirror of Xtreme at http://info.sonicretro.org/images/large/Xtreme.rar . I'm in the process of adding it to Retro's media handling system manually right now. — Scarred Sun 11:42, 17 July 2007 (CDT)

UPDATE: Turns out, someone else thought of this pain in the ass long ago and wrote a script that will do just this, but it's made specifically for multiple large files. I'm adding some more large files onto the server for inclusion—if you have something over 6MB that you think should be on the site (at the moment, I'm going to put up 510, 712, 920, the CD 409 hoax, and Sonic Adventure Gaiden), contact me. — Scarred Sun 12:03, 17 July 2007 (CDT)

Redo

I was actually going to add in the references myself but... ooh it's messy. I think I might have tackled this once before, pushing things off into Sonic X-treme/Development, but I'm now wondering if it's worth dividing this up further.

There is

  • All the early Mega Drive and 32X guff that shouldn't really be described on this page since they're covered elsewhere
  • A sort-of "main branch" Sonic X-treme, being fronted by Ofer Alon and Chris Senn, and is the X-treme we know and love
  • The Point Of View (POV) attempt, which is essentially a tangent that didn't go anywhere
  • Project Condor, the "lets build everything with the boss engine" version, fronted by Christina Coffin and pals

It might make things easier to work with -Black Squirrel (talk) 13:51, 18 September 2021 (EDT)

References

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