Talk:Sonic CulT

PACHUKA and saxman

Info here is wrong. At least three separate events were combined into one story. Furthermore, why is this even here? How does a political squabble relate to the history of SC?

• Early 2000 - DNS traffic for various sites managed by ZTNET were redirected to a page with an obscene image. This redirection was done by Jeremy Chadwick, who used to work for ZTNet. PACHUKA was never implicated. Read more about it here: http://www.emulationzone.org/aboutus/holywar/hw4.htm

• Summer 2000 - SFGHQ, Fan Made Games and other sites were deleted by rogue staffer. By comparing IP addresses of those who logged into the FTP server to delete the files to those that had credentials to access the server, the culprit was uncovered and determined to be had the alias "Ultra the Vamp" or "Ultra the Vampire". (Who later claimed it to be "Bob Smiley".) TSSZ covered this event on their site. PACHUKA was never implicated.

• 2001 or 2002 ? - PACHUKA gained access to the news scripts on Emulation Zone and (I believe) SSRG, and posted some obscene messages. Either the night before or a few nights before, PACHUKA messaged Andy via AIM that he will more of less "be sorry". Shortly after the obscene messages were posted via the news scripts, Andy received two messages via AIM from two separate and unknown AIM accounts stating concern about the obscene messages. The timing and volume of said messages are suspect and likely pre-planned as other events did not trigger such a rapid response from anonymous folks. The styling and content of the obscene messages, along with the ominous message received prior, all made PACHUKA a suspect. But how did he gain access?

Sometime after the incident, SSRG staff member Ultima admitted to Andy that he had given PACHUKA the credentials to access the new scripts. Ultima's access to SSRG / Emulation Zone were revoked as a result. Ultima later apologized to Andy for his actions, stating he did not know why he provided that information. (Victim of sly social engineering?)

SIDE NOTE: at the time of the event, PACHUKA did not access to the new scripts. He was given access at some point, but his access was revoked for bad behavior before this event occurred.

Now, with all of that said, what does this have to do with Saxman? I know this article was written by past SonicCult members years ago with a bias towards PACKUKA, but the twisting of facts discredits this entire event as fake. NO CARRIER - 10/04/2023

The Fall of SSRG

Some missing details:

• Chaos was selected by Andy after a 2-4 months long search for a new head.
• Andy had a "claw-back" provision to retake control if new head did not run site properly. View old SSRG website backups via WayBack Machine to read the text if you don't believe me.
• "Chaos got along with PACHUKA better than Andy had, and the two managed to form a 'peace treaty'."

Article fails to state that Chaos later said that the 'peace treaty' was mistake as PACHUKA would not honor it long term once the situation benefited PACHUKA. (IE he felt he was tricked by PACHUKA as he could not be trusted.)

• Andy had given PACHUKA a chance to redeem himself in 2001 or 2002, and it backfired on Andy horrendously. He had every right not to trust this deal. And given what was later learned about PACHUKA behavior inside and outside the Sonic community, how can you honestly trust what he says?

NO CARRIER - 10/04/2023

Mass editing and commenting

Andy, please in future either just replace the section or put up the edited text in here for discussion. Comments on the actual article such as "(replace above with this)" or "(this section isn't needed)" aren't appropriate for the articles themselves. Keep it to the talk pages, ta. --Cinossu 16:27, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Remove "DUSTHILL IS FAKE"

I vote to delete this "DUSTHILL IS FAKE" paragraph. It adds nothing. --NO CARRIER

Hmmm

So other than the fact that this page is horribly out of date, should Current Status in the infobox be changed to something like "unattended" or "no longer maintained" rather than "online"? It seems like that would make more sense. --PicklePower 05:13, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Original Comment

Holy shit this page needs to be expanded.

Is this comment old? The page seems quite extensive now--maybe we should remove the "cleanup" tag? --Tweaker 17:36, 28 December 2007 (CST)

Oh, it still needs a lot of cleanup. I'm doing my best, but I'll need Saz's help because I wasn't around to see most of this shit happening. --Aurochs (Talk | Block)