Knuckles' Chaotix

Including Enemies

I'd like to include the various enemies in each level of Chaotix on their respective level page, but I'm stuck in a bit of a quandary. About a third of the enemies have official names, as per the Knuckles' Chaotix JP Manual, but that's...only a third. I don't really think there's enough information on these enemies to warrant a separate page for each, a la the setup for the S1-K pages, but I'd still like to cover them in some capacity. The best thing I can think of is doing something like

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Balru (バルル) - Hovering bots that move in strange patterns. Their sides are well-guarded, so they must be destroyed from above or below.

And if there is no name, doing something like

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??? - Hovering bots that move in strange patterns. Their sides are well-guarded, so they must be destroyed from above or below.

Or just drop names in front entirely, both known and unknown, to keep things uniform?

- Scarred Sun 08:46, 29 November 2007 (CST)

Move to "Chaotix (game)" or whatever's appropriate

All versions of the actual game use Chaotix, right? The boxes and other material should be secondary when the focus is on the game itself. And if we're going to go by "common name" (LOL), then Colours should be at Colors instead (also a poor move). Despatche 02:55, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

It's not so much "common name" as it is "common sense". Putting vague descriptions in page titles should be a last resort - if there's a widely used alternative name I'm more likely to favour that, and "Knuckles' Chaotix" is very widely used. It's also instinctively the name most westerners will call it, as that's what it was advertised as being called. To me, "Knuckles' Chaotix" feels right - usually you move a page for greater accuracy or to alleviate confusion - I don't really think it's inaccurate or confusing, just maybe not as "pure" as it could be (and I'm willing to make sacrifices there for the same reason we're not shoving ® after every instance of "Sega").

Frankly I see the "title screen rule" as a bit short-sighted and often far more inaccurate than relying on promotional material. There are Game Gear titles for example where the full name of a game doesn't really fit on-screen, and cases such as this where there's not a lot of space (and can be reasonably assumed, not a lot of 32X technical know-how) to shove "Knuckles'" in there. To me it's very clear what Sega wanted this game to be called outside of Japan (and so, most of the world) so I'm on the side of just leaving it as-is.

The colours/colors thing is a bit different because it's the American vs. British English thing and that's tedious noise we don't need here. The only time I would ever bother to change "colors" to "colours" (or vice versa) is if an article kept switching between the two, but that's a page consistency issue, and I don't care if two pages use different spelling. Far more important is the contents of the article and tbh there's quite a few areas that could be improved here -Black Squirrel 19:24, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Alternative names are always wrong, but there's nothing wrong with a hard "use the official name most commonly used". This move would indeed improve accuracy. Looking to "the game" (not "the title screen") is not short-sighted, but looking to the packaging is; we talk about the actual game itself before we talk about any packaging, and the article title should reflect that. If the Game Gear games "shorten" (how do you know for sure?) a name, then we should obviously use that shortened name. The "Colours" vs "Colors" thing is certainly not "noise" because titles are completely divorced from any language; a difference is a difference. Either way, this case is more like Sonic CD than Colours, my mistake. Finally, the contents of the article, as well as what you think Sega intended, are completely irrelevant to this decision, and I'm not sure why you'd bring those up.

So yes, as per Sonic the Hedgehog CD, this should be at "Chaotix (game)" or whatever works with the other articles. Otherwise, Sonic CD should be at "Sonic CD" for the same reason; who uses "Sonic the Hedgehog CD", after all (more importantly, why)? Despatche 02:32, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

In the case of Sonic Colours, Colours is used instead of Colors because it was released as Colours in most regions, I guess. That's the rule we go by. That's why we use Mega Drive instead of Genesis in the wiki articles. Sonic's Edusoft is another example of a game that isn't title simply by what's on the title screen. The title screen for that game simply says "Edusoft" but the developer that leaked the ROM called the game Sonic's Edusoft on the wikipedia page he created.--MathUser 03:01, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

We typically go with the commonest name, although I prefer to prioritise title screens (i.e. in-game content) over packaging, hence "Sonic the Hedgehog CD" and "Sonic Triple Trouble". If we go by that rule, the title of this page should be "Chaotix" (with the current Chaotix page moved to "Chaotix (characters)" or something). - Hivebrain 17:55, 28 October 2013 (UTC)